tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3736365491401043672.post5029811516242334307..comments2024-01-16T09:31:45.073-04:00Comments on Anderson Brown's Philosophy Blog: Behaviorism and the Mereological FallacyAnderson Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18358008464457746997noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3736365491401043672.post-7977483178107103432008-07-21T13:01:00.000-04:002008-07-21T13:01:00.000-04:00A.B.: "know that I take animals to be paradigmatic...A.B.: "know that I take animals to be paradigmatic examples of persons: dogs, say, believe and desire and hope and fear etc., and the semantics of those predicates are the same, on my view, when applied to humans and to dogs and many other non-human animals (contra Davidson, by the way)."<BR/><BR/>Perhaps I am not enough of a regular reader to know what "paradigmatic example" means, but I would think that persons are what make up the paradigm of "person" and dogs do not. Dogs have qualities that are very much like human beings, but it would be like saying that autistic persons make up the paradigmatic example of "person". In a way, I can see a point, in that by testing the limits of the category, they make some essential-like property of the category more plain, but this is not paradigmatic, unless one wants to think of a paradigm in the Neo-Platonic sense. <BR/><BR/>As far as Davidson and animals, perhaps he is inconsistent and you are aware of some quotation where he states himself categorically, but by my reading he walks a careful border. Take for instance his stance in "Three Varieties of Knowledge":<BR/><BR/>"Belief is a condition of knowledge. But to have a belief it is not enough to discriminate among aspects of the world, to behave in different ways in different circumstances; a snail or a periwinkle does this. Having a belief demands in addition appreciating the contrast between belief and false, between appearance and reality, mere seeming and being. We can, of course, say that a sunflower has made a mistake if it turns toward an artificial light as if it were the sun, but we do not suppose the sunflower can think it has made a mistake, and so we do not attribute belief to the sunflower. Someone who has a belief about the world - or anything else - must grasp the concept of objective truth, or what is the case independent of what he or she thinks."<BR/><BR/>Now though Davidson makes a rather solid claim against sunflowers, I am unsure what he would say if applied to Dogs. Dogs certainly, and constantly behave as if they understand what a "mistake" in belief is. The criteria the Davidson uses here seems to be an important one, but one that opens the door to understanding other animals as belief holders. If we pass this on to other mental predicates, hoping, fearing, etc. The conditions for the ascription are those that drive its substance. It does not in most cases (but not ALL) prove helpful to say that "the sunflower realized it was wrong" but it is intimately helpful to say that "the dog is afraid of the man" or "the ape hopes its child is still alive". Examining the conditions and contexts brings out the meaningfulness. Categorical analysis does not.<BR/><BR/>I don't ascribe so much to the language-oriented distention that Davidson loves (Rorty is even more fierce about this than he). I think that Davidson's approach must be tempered by a triangulating notion of affective imagination, one which presents the substance of our attributions to animals and things.<BR/><BR/>I argue this here, in three of four parts: http://kvond.wordpress.com/2008/05/28/the-trick-of-dogs-etiologic-affection-and-triangulation-part-i-of-iv/<BR/><BR/>As for Hacker and company, no, they means "nonsense" as in "it has no role in the language game" kind of nonsense. They mean square peg round hole kind of nonsense. This is the paramount difficulty in any kind of "Those are nonsense uses of language!" assertions. Clearly they are not "nonsense" because those games with words are meaningful to all kinds of people in all kinds of situations. These square pegs seem to fit rather nicely (not perfectly though) into those round holes. The mistake is the think that language ever can work where pegs and holes necessarily match up. There is no (hidden) Tractatus-like connection which keeps language uses "x" and "y" from being meaningful to their users. What attackers of the "wrongful attribution" theory have to overcome is that IF such an attribution is meaningful in context, IF it carries on with the interaction, then it is a meaningful description. Under such an understanding, Dennett's Intentional Stance meets nicely with Wittgenstein's Sec. 154 "Now I can go on".kvondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07709562524431261018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3736365491401043672.post-39729539808892735502008-07-10T23:29:00.000-04:002008-07-10T23:29:00.000-04:00(Anderson) Note that this discussion is to a large...(Anderson) Note that this discussion is to a large extent a version of the oldest and biggest problem for behaviorism, that is that we have strong intuitions that phenomenal experience is distinct from outward behavior, as in the case of the man who pretends he is in pain when he is not. Surely this exposes behaviorism as incomplete at best, if the behaviorist claims that "Sally likes chocolate" does not entail a reference to the quality of her gustatory sensations when she puts the chocolate in her mouth?<BR/>(Gerardo) I don't think that your description does justice to behaviorism. First of all, who is the behaviorist whose thinking you're talking about here? Skinner? Quine? Ryle? They're very different, and none of them really did what you've just said (a kind of reductionism to overt behavior). Ryle talked about dispositions to overt behavior, but he also recognized episodic mental events (he never reduced all mental terms to overt dispositions, as many think). Skinner recognized private stimuli and responses, and said that they followed the same learning principles as overt behaviors. Quine advocated an epistemic kind of behaviorism ("language is learned through observation of overt behavior... linguistics has to be behavioristic"). Without specifying a real behaviorist and analyzing his real arguments, it's always easy to beat a strawman of behaviorism.<BR/><BR/>Best Regards,<BR/>Gerardo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3736365491401043672.post-16404956607926767982008-07-10T18:16:00.000-04:002008-07-10T18:16:00.000-04:00Yes I quite agree (although I'm not clear on the d...Yes I quite agree (although I'm not clear on the degree of Dennett's guilt).Anderson Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18358008464457746997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3736365491401043672.post-74765599425197438952008-07-10T14:48:00.000-04:002008-07-10T14:48:00.000-04:00[This comment is recycled from a post over at Brai...[This comment is recycled from a <A HREF="http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2007/12/12/your-brain-is-reading-this/" REL="nofollow">post over at Brain Hammer</A>.]<BR/><BR/>To properly engage Hacker one has to engage the Wittgensteinian notion that criteria justify the use of a term (e.g., 'read') because they are constitutive of its meaning. We (English speakers, that is) say that someone reads when she behaves in certain ways because behaving in those ways is what we call 'reading.' And if that's what 'reading' means for us, then that's what reading is for us. Accordingly, those behaviors are criteria for reading.<BR/><BR/>If those criteria are not met by someone, then there is no justification for saying that she is reading. On the other hand, if it is <I>impossible</I> for those criteria to be met by something, then it is not merely false that that thing is reading, it makes no sense to say of it that it reads.<BR/><BR/>Hacker argues that it is impossible for a brain or any of its parts to meet the criteria for reading, etc. It is impossible because brains don't behave. That is, brains do not and <I>cannot</I> act in any way that is even remotely similar to human behavior. Concerning reading, brains cannot utter the words because brains don't have vocal chords, tongues, etc. Brains cannot follow the words with their eyes because they don't have eyes. And so on.<BR/><BR/>Despite these facts, Dennett claims that brains 'behave' in a way that is similar enough to human behavior to warrant an extended use of psychological predicates. This, it seems to me, is patently false, even absurd.N. N.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05983492370711591794noreply@blogger.com